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    "parsed_content": "Trump AdministrationFact Check of Fraud ClaimsNational Citizenship DatabaseTrump InvestigationsVideo: Jack Smith HearingApproval RatingAdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENTSupported bySKIP ADVERTISEMENTAs Jack Smith Testifies, a Senator\u2019s Accusation of Perjury Falls ApartA Republican eager to prove the former special counsel was dishonest appeared to instead demonstrate his own confusion over basic facts.Listen \u00b7 9:55 min Share full articleVideoJack Smith Defends Against Republican\u2019s Perjury ClaimSenator Eric Schmitt, a Republican, appeared to confuse basketball teams as he accused former special counsel Jack Smith of perjury at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Tuesday.CreditCredit...Kenny Holston\/The New York TimesBy Devlin Barrett and Charlie SavageReporting from WashingtonSept. 29, 2026See more of our coverage in your search results.Encuentra m\u00e1s de nuestra cobertura en los resultados de b\u00fasqueda. Add The New York Times on GoogleAgrega The New York Times en Google It was meant to be a dramatic confrontation, a public accusation of perjury against Jack Smith, the special counsel who investigated Donald J. Trump. Instead, Senator Eric Schmitt\u2019s amateur sleuthing into basketball led him to the wrong game, league and state.During a four-hour Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Mr. Schmitt, a Republican from Missouri, struck a conspiratorial tone and asked Mr. Smith if he had attended an Atlanta Hawks home game in February 2024.Mr. Schmitt focused on the basketball game in the hopes that he could show Mr. Smith had perjured himself and was involved in a conspiracy with local Atlanta prosecutors to ensnare Mr. Trump. In a hearing where Republicans repeatedly accused Mr. Smith of lying, what Mr. Schmitt first presented as smoking-gun evidence against Mr. Smith turned out to be a misfire.During his testimony, Mr. Smith appeared deeply confused by Mr. Schmitt\u2019s question. \u201cI definitely did not go to a Hawks game,\u201d he said. \u201cI\u2019m sure of that.\u201dAdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENTMr. Schmitt seemed confident he had just caught Mr. Smith in a lie. It was part of a broader effort by Mr. Trump\u2019s Republican allies to characterize Mr. Smith as politically partisan, a man with an ax to grind not just against a former president, but also the Republican establishment. Mr. Smith has already defended his work before Congress, and Republicans have claimed that his past testimony included perjury.On Tuesday, Mr. Schmitt argued that Mr. Smith had lied again, this time about a basketball game. If the prosecutor was in Atlanta, Mr. Schmitt suggested, he might have met with the local district attorney, Fani Willis, who also pursued a criminal case against Mr. Trump.Mr. Schmitt\u2019s Republican colleague from Louisiana, John Kennedy, stood next to him helping hold up a poster board showing text messages among members of Mr. Smith\u2019s special counsel team from Feb. 3, 2024, discussing seats at a basketball game.\u201cI don\u2019t think you know we have this stuff, so I\u2019ll give you a second to process it so you don\u2019t perjure yourself,\u201d Mr. Schmitt said, even as the poster board was swiftly taken down, too quickly for most in the room to read it.ImageSenator Eric Schmitt, Republican of Missouri, accused Jack Smith, the former special counsel, of attending an N.B.A. game in Atlanta to secretly meet with prosecutors pursuing President Trump, a suggestion that appeared to immediately fall apart.Credit...Alex Kent\/The New York TimesWhen the former special counsel insisted he had not gone to see the Atlanta Hawks play in that time period, Mr. Schmitt declared, \u201cI think you\u2019ve already perjured yourself,\u201d and called Mr. Smith a \u201cdirtbag.\u201dAdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENTThe accusation appeared to unravel almost immediately.Invited to respond by Senator Amy Klobuchar, a Minnesota Democrat, Mr. Smith said he had, in fact, attended a basketball game on that day, but it was to see the Iowa Hawkeyes at the University of Maryland. That night, Caitlin Clark, the star point guard who now plays in the W.N.B.A., scored 38 points and had 12 assists.Ms. Klobuchar suggested that Mr. Schmitt\u2019s accusation was rooted in the senator\u2019s confusion between the \u201cHawks\u201d of Atlanta and the \u201cHawkeyes\u201d of Iowa.Mr. Schmitt declared that he still stood by calling Mr. Smith a \u201cdirtbag,\u201d then left the hearing.The exchange took up just four minutes of the hearing. But it showed how eager the Republicans were to paint Mr. Smith as an out-of-control partisan \u2014 and to find a basis to accuse him of a crime at a time when the Justice Department has proved receptive to pursuing the people who investigated Mr. Trump.ImageMr. Smith noted he had come from a generation of prosecutors who spoke almost exclusively in courtrooms, and not in public, even to defend the integrity of the work or the prosecution team.Credit...Alex Kent\/The New York TimesAdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENTA central issue was Mr. Smith\u2019s subpoenas for lawmakers\u2019 phone records as he and his team sought to trace Mr. Trump\u2019s pressure campaign on Congress to block Joseph R. Biden Jr.\u2019s Electoral College certification.As part of that effort, investigators also examined whether Mr. Trump had defrauded his supporters when he raised vast sums after the election promising to expose fraud that did not happen. They also subpoenaed financial records of Republican-aligned groups as they traced what actually happened to the money.That effort did not result in charges.Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, and others argued that when Mr. Smith subpoenaed phone records of Republican lawmakers, and sought court orders keeping those subpoenas secret, he showed that his prosecutorial ambitions extended far beyond Mr. Trump.Sign up for the On Politics newsletter. It's a pivotal moment for American politics. Join us for 2026 and beyond. Get it sent to your inbox.\u201cIs it a crime to be a Republican?\u201d Mr. Cruz asked angrily. \u201cAbsolutely not,\u201d replied Mr. Smith.Senator Darline Graham, the sister of Senator Lindsey Graham, who died in July, also confronted Mr. Smith over a subpoena of her brother\u2019s phone records. Like Mr. Cruz, she focused on how an application for nondisclosure order to the phone companies raised the risk that if the subpoena became public, a target could destroy evidence or intimidate witnesses.\u201cDo you really believe that Lindsey was going to destroy evidence that was not even in his possession?\u201d she asked.AdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENT\u201cNo, I believe your brother was a patriotic public servant. He was not a target of our investigation, and in fact he likely would have been a witness in our case\u201d against Mr. Trump, Mr. Smith replied.He told both Mr. Cruz and Ms. Graham that his team sought the records to investigate the conduct of Mr. Trump, not the lawmakers. The concern was not whether the lawmakers would destroy evidence or intimidate witnesses, but whether Mr. Trump or his associates would seek to do so.Democrats countered Republican accusations by pointing to the evidence Mr. Smith gathered against Mr. Trump, leading to indictments for his efforts to undo the results of the 2020 election, and for his handling of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida.Senator Adam Schiff, Democrat of California, said the G.O.P. anger directed at Mr. Smith and the F.B.I. was a smoke screen for facts they would rather not face \u2014 that the former president had engaged in wrongdoing, and that the witnesses against him in both cases were largely Republicans.Senator Cory Booker, a New Jersey Democrat, called the hearing \u201ca farce.\u201d The Republicans attacking Mr. Smith, he added, \u201cchoose Trump over truth, corruption and crimes over the Constitution, and I\u2019ve had enough of it.\u201dAdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENTFor his part, Mr. Smith maintained a measured, even meek, tone as lawmakers on the panel alternated between describing him as a pinnacle of his profession and a poster boy for improper conduct.\u201cIf asked whether to prosecute a former president today, based on the same facts, I would do so regardless of whether that president was a Republican or a Democrat,\u201d he said, adding: \u201cI will not be silenced by continued threats of prosecution from the president or others.\u201dImageSenator Adam Schiff, Democrat of California, said the G.O.P. anger directed at Mr. Smith and the F.B.I. was a smoke screen.Credit...Kenny Holston\/The New York TimesIn early 2022, the Justice Department opened two investigations involving Mr. Trump. One was into his campaign\u2019s plan to create false slates of electors as a pretext to block Mr. Biden\u2019s certification, and the other was into Mr. Trump\u2019s hoarding of classified documents while out of office, and his obstruction of efforts to retrieve them.In November 2022, after Mr. Trump announced he would run for president again, Mr. Smith, a former prosecutor of federal corruption and international war crimes, was tapped to take over the inquiries as a special counsel. The next year, Mr. Smith brought two indictments against Mr. Trump.AdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENTMr. Smith insisted that he brought charges because Mr. Trump \u201cengaged in criminal activity,\u201d and not because of any political agenda to stop Mr. Trump\u2019s resurgence, as the president\u2019s Republican allies have asserted. Mr. Trump triumphed over the two federal cases by winning re-election in 2024, leading to Mr. Smith\u2019s resignation.Since leaving government, Mr. Smith has said that the Justice Department has been \u201ccorrupted\u201d by Trump loyalists who have wrecked its credibility and sought to undermine the rule of law.Attorney General Todd Blanche, in testimony to Congress in July, suggested the department would investigate Mr. Smith to determine if he had lied to Congress.Much of Tuesday\u2019s hearing covered familiar ground \u2014 including whether investigators\u2019 effort to collect lawmakers\u2019 call records violated the Constitution\u2019s \u201cspeech or debate\u201d clause, as Republican lawmakers insisted.That issue is contested. Everyone agrees members of Congress cannot be prosecuted or forced to testify about their legislative acts. But appeals courts have disagreed about whether it also creates a confidentiality shield, and no court has interpreted it as barring subpoenas to phone companies for call logs.AdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENTThe Justice Department\u2019s public integrity section signed off on the subpoenas, Mr. Smith said. But while he defended the investigation\u2019s work as carefully following the law, Justice Department rules, and best practices for prosecutors, he did offer one regret for how he had done the job.Mr. Smith noted that he had come from a generation of prosecutors who spoke almost exclusively in courtrooms, and not in public, even to defend the integrity of the work or the prosecution team.Following that tradition proved costly in the cases against Mr. Trump, he said.\u201cI do agree that prosecutors in the future need to learn to be able to communicate to the outside world,\u201d Mr. Smith said.Glenn Thrush contributed reporting.AdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENT",
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